What happens when the definition of marriage changes?
In this conversation, Katy Faust, founder of Them Before Us, explains how cultural, legal, and technological shifts reshaped marriage and family law — and why she believes those changes have had profound consequences for children.
Faust argues that when marriage was redefined primarily around adult desires and fulfillment, the structure that once connected children to their mother and father was fundamentally altered. She explains how developments like no-fault divorce, reproductive technologies, and the legal redefinition of marriage have changed the way society understands parenthood and family.
The central question she raises is simple but controversial:
What happens to children when marriage stops being organized around their needs?
This discussion explores the history of these changes, the legal implications, and the broader cultural debate about marriage, parenthood, and children’s rights.
Watch the full conversation to hear Katy Faust’s perspective on one of the most debated issues in modern family policy.
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
00:42 Why Katy Faust Started Them Before Us
02:05 The Cultural Shift Around Marriage
04:00 The First Redefinition of Marriage: No-Fault Divorce
06:30 The Role of Technology in Reshaping Parenthood
08:45 How Children Became Secondary in Family Law
10:50 Why Biology Matters in Parenting
14:05 Adoption vs Reproductive Technologies
17:45 What Obergefell Changed About Parenthood Law
20:20 Are Children Becoming a Commodity?
23:15 The Greater Than Campaign Explained
26:10 How Christians Should Respond to Cultural Change
30:30 Truth, Compassion, and Difficult Conversations
RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE
Them Before Us
Greater Than Campaign
Katy Faust Website
Book: Them Before Us — Why We Need a Global Children’s Rights Movement
Book: Raising Conservative Kids in a Woke City
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